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Apple Eyes Intel and Samsung as Backup US Chipmakers

Apple has held "exploratory" talks with Intel and Samsung about manufacturing the main processors for its devices in the United States, reports Bloomberg ($).

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Apple is said to have had early-stage talks with Intel about using its chipmaking services, while Apple executives have reportedly visited a Samsung plant under construction in Texas that will also make advanced chips.

The talks are said to be preliminary, and no orders have been made so far, according to the report's sources who asked not to be identified. Apple is also said to have concerns about using technology that is not made by its longtime chip partner, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), so the talks could still go nowhere.

Apple is said to be seeking potential additional suppliers beyond TSMC as a way to avoid recent shortages almost entirely driven by the current build-out of AI data centers.

Heavy demand for Mac mini and Mac Studio models - sought-after because of their suitability for running local AI models - is also said to have been another factor. On an earnings call last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook acknowledged that Mac mini and Mac Studio supply is constrained, and he said it may take "several months" for Apple to achieve supply-demand balance.

Neither Intel nor Samsung can reliably provide the kind of production and scale that TSMC offers, so it's not clear how much, if anything, will come out of the discussions. Apple has already worked with TSMC to help expand its plant in Phoenix, which is now producing a limited number of chips for Apple and expects to make 100 million chips for the company in 2026.

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Wanted797 Avatar
6 weeks ago

Oh no we don’t want to go back to intel x86 and they not even supported anymore what else should intel make a n-processor when they making theirs old junk x86 indent really get this
… this is about using their facilities to manufacture Apple chips. Not buying x86 chips.
Score: 22 Votes (Like | Disagree)
6 weeks ago
I'd love to see Intel making chips in the US again and companies like Apple support it. There are too many risks globally with the current setup (sadly).
Score: 12 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Will Co Avatar
6 weeks ago

Why are wafers round rather than square?
If memory serves, it's because they are sliced or "pared" off a cylinder of silicon substrate, the substrate itself being cylindrical because the manufacturing process is one that involves spinning. I can't remember why, but I think probably to reduce waste and improve uniformity.
Score: 6 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Justin Cymbal Avatar
6 weeks ago
Diversification is key, I can’t believe how fast intel turned it around, a year or two ago, it was practically going out of business:

https://apnews.com/article/stock-markets-trump-iran-oil-75bd462d6795062bed788709d647dc68
Score: 5 Votes (Like | Disagree)
turbineseaplane Avatar
6 weeks ago

Good point. Discernment is what is lacking. I agree with you that someone is more likely to attempt to discern a truth from clicking around a few search page results than just swallowing whole the dose of slop they're given by AI.
I'm already seeing this all over ... people are saying things like "XYZ-AI said this"

..and that's the end of it.

Who knows where that came from, what any kind of source or context might be ... just "an answer".

The ramifications of this are exceptionally profound and potentially very dangerous.
Score: 4 Votes (Like | Disagree)
6 weeks ago

I’m surprised that there is so much more demand for the Studio over the Mac Pro
The 2023 Mac Pro cost $3000 more than a Studio Ultra and the only thing it really offered was PCIe slots.

The appeal of Apple Silicon for AI models is the relatively large amount of unified memory shared between the integrated CPU, GPU and NPU without the bottleneck you'd get between main RAM and VRAM on a PCIe GPU/NPU. So even if you did have drivers for PCIe GPUs in a Mac Pro, using dGPUs would take away the Apple Silicon advantage & you might as well just get a generic PC workstation with more PCIe lanes & bandwidth.

Sure, you can use the Pro's PCIe slots to add lots of local SSD storage, but you can get a lot of TB5-to-M.2 enclosures for $3000.

The 2023 Mac Pro was really for people who relied on specialist I/O cards for video and audio production & gave them a couple more years to move to Thunderbolt-based workflows.
Score: 4 Votes (Like | Disagree)